Drop in cell volatges

prads34

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Hello.this is my 1st harvesting adventure.i got about 18 cells most of them red sanyos with purple caps.although they dint get hot during charging but after charging fully to about 4.16v the voltage drops to about 3.98 4 v after 24 hrs. Are they bad ? How much should theideal voltage drop be.im planning to use them in a small 3s3p pack to make a solar powered automatic night lamp (3w to 5w led bulb)
 
mike said:
They are self-discharging. That kind of voltage loss in 24hrs is pretty bad. I let mine sit for 2 weeks or more and discard anything that drops below 4.10v.

Damn so most of the 1st lot turned out to be garbage.will have to hunt for more laptop batteries.the problem here in india is the recyclers r unorganised.they don't have a shop as such.they recycler guys visit laptop service center every few days and buy 1 dead laptop battery for about 50rs or roughly 1 us dollar.so uv a situation where service centers don't keep old batteries and the recyclers can't be found!
 
mike said:
If they let you pick through the packs, grab up all of the Dells you can, especially if they're the light grey packs. Those have some of the best cells in my experience. Avoid generics as they usually have low quality cells.
Example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IJ2LK4G

Yes they do.currently I'm picking all the branded ones.the sanyos came out of Acer ones.the recyclers or the service centers have no idea what they can be used for.the recyclers send it to big cities from where they are shipped to china.
 
I cycle mine twice before letting sit. I find this helps the cells that are on the edge. not that I'm recovering anything just refreshing the state of charge.
 
jdeadman said:
I cycle mine twice before letting sit. I find this helps the cells that are on the edge. not that I'm recovering anything just refreshing the state of charge.

I find this to be true myself. I usually cycle twice. Allow to rest, check for any self discharge - after 24-48hrs, then a week. Then capacity check.
 
I'm currently going to cycle mine twice as a final test. Reason being is right now I'm just doing an initial charge and letting them sit. Anything below 4.1V gets set aside after about a month of resting (actually, more like 2 months). These will get another charge to see how they do. But I think i'll recharge the others ones later as well as a surety. Make sure I didn't miss a heater, or one that just takes awhile to charge compared to the others.
 
I dont cycle mine twice :) If they dont work first time they are out. If they would give more the 2nd time i qould question "why" :) I dont care if they get more the 2nd time. I would consider that as a bonus.

Personal preference though.. they will be cycled 100times in the powerwall later on.
 
If I get a cell that looks like a self discharger (eg 3.85v after 4 weeks) I test it again. Many times they have been fine the second time. This is probably due to me removing them from the charger too early.

On my LittoKala testers on the full test cycle, they charge, discharge, display a value and charge again. It shows END when the discharge is done and then charges it back up again. There is no indication of the end charge cycle completing.With the constant current and then constant voltage charge curve, if I look at it and the voltage says 4.2, I might be pulling it off at 80% charge if it has only just entered the constant voltage part of the charge. (so it might come off saying 4.2v, but resting voltage might have dropped back to something like 3.9v very quickly)

The other thing worth considering is that two 2400mah cells can have quite different discharge curves. I was discarding any cells that went under 4v after 4 weeks. When I looked at them more closely though, some cell models might have 10% of their capacity above 4v, others might dip below 4v after 2% of their capacity is discharged. I've found some cells at 3.98v after 4 weeks were still at 3.98v after a further 3 weeks (I'd use these).
 
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