Electricity companies get green light to charge rooftop solar owners for exporting power to grid

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ng.sa

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ADMINS : I couldn't decide which is best place to post this, so pls. move to appropriate for me :)


Yes you read it right, in Australia we are going to be charged when we export elec. to the grid.

What I cannot believe is the reason they are using to push this down our necks, obviously so we cannot say anything about it.

Firstly you need to understand that Elec. gen. in Oz are mostly owned by foreign companies, like nearly all of the water in our rivers. The Oz gov. does not believe that water and power are of a national interest. It is cheaper to buy Aussie gas in Japan than it is in Sydney because of the contracts our politicians signed with foreign entities. Why would you do this, well from working in Can. ACT I believe that the political parties get large donations from these foreign companies, it is that simple.

For many years I have been battling to install off grid solar panels on our property, the first electrician said if he installed panels on my property ( not my roof ) then he would have to connect them to the grid and he would be filing paperwork so the government would lower the tariff that I was receiving to export to the grid from the panels that were on the roof of the house when we bought the property.

When I asked for the paperwork that said he had to do this, he couldn't find it. "That's what we always do" was what he told me over and over. So he was booted to the boundary.

No one would install panels without submitting the paperwork to .gov.au so my tariff could be lowed to the current very low rate for the orig. panels which were on a very high tariff due to the orig. home owner getting in early.

I'm obviously a criminal mastermind and installed a couple of small panels on the roof of my 4x4 and then on the property for testing ( R & D ) and have not had the Panel Police remove them YET.

So back to foreign companies ripping off Aussies again !!!

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AEMC said it had "listened to the feedback" and "tightened protections for consumers".
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Yes they are "protecting consumers" :)

My personnel opinion is that we are on our own, which in rural SA has always been the case ( we do not even have a postal service ) and they are saying their poles and cables are going to crumble under the load from all the panels that the sa.gov.au subsidised. They are suggesting that this will result in more bush fires.

From my observations and analysis, global warming is the reason we are getting more bush fires, not foreign owned elec. grids.
 

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I must say that in the US, I see 'this and that' articles that suggest pockets of unfriendly behavior by our own power companies with respect to Solar. This influenced me from the beginning to do an off-grid system on my home and I'm (so far) really happy I went that direction.

During installation - I too had to navigate some byzantine rules. For example, in Oregon I was told that you must have a specific 'solar technician' certification to touch panels. This is a full 2-year journeyman process (not just a test) - so a general contractor will not bother and the effect is to force you into a 'Solar Company' type install. There's still a loophole that the homeowner can do it. So I had my contractor put in the rails and then I actually connected the panels. I still had to have a city roof-permit/structural-integrity inspection and the city required me to hire an electrician and do an electrical permit/inspection. I found a licensed electrician that was willing to just go with my off-grid goals - but it was not easy. Pretty convoluted!!!

Currently I create about 60% of the overall power I consume - which leaves a 40% footprint of power consumption with the power company. The 60% is enough I could function in an emergency in my home with enough-comfort if I lost the 40% so I'm good with that.

And, hopefully the 40% profile is enough that in some (horrible) future I won't pop up as a priority for the power company to search out and bother. Kind of 'hiding in plain site' strategy :).
 
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'hiding in plain site'
In Maine the power company 'CMP' (Central Maine Power) is pushing that you sign up for the co-op solar farms to reduce your power bill. It isn't because they want to but their reputation is so bad that they are trying everything to make people happy. They even send "activists" door to door to sell this plan. My housemate was at home when one of them came knocking to explain the benefits of joining the co-op. She pointed to the roof and there was an "ohh I see you already have solar". It was explained that our power bill is already at the minimum and that this co-op would really not benefit us. Additionally when the power does go out what benefit does the co-op have? They left, going to try to convince their next victim.
The only thing I worry about is when a serious crisis hits the power grid and we are without power for an extended period of time and no relief is in sight that marauders will rear their ugly heads. That's when hiding in plain sight will become paramount. There are certain deterrents that I possess which would be used as a last resort. Hopefully that doesn't happen in my lifetime.
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ng.sa

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G'Day OGITC

I took 4 semesters in Elec. Eng. 1st visit to Uni. and was told 35V and above could be fatal. But I changed to Soft. because my Professor couldn't explain what is now called 'Elec. Depletion' of a material.


For example, in Oregon I was told that you must have a specific 'solar technician' certification to touch panels.

Public servants justifying their role !!!

There's still a loophole that the homeowner can do it.

This is what I found as well, what happens with panels on the roof of a 4x4 :)

Pretty convoluted!!!

+++ - As a member of Country Fire Service ( CFS ) I can say that during training we are told any house with panels will be considered 'suspect' if you cannot find a big disconnect panel switch near meter box and if you can choose between houses in peril, 'No Panel' house will probably be saved 1st.

So their are good reasons to have a sparky terminate panels, but "Hand off panels not grid connected panels", if I was in the US I would go as far as to say "From my cold dead hands" because I live in rural SA and have an appalling elec. serv. which is the most expensive in the world and state politicians have guaranteed a Chinese billionaire a profit via gouging in writing.

And, hopefully the 40% profile is enough that in some (horrible) future I won't pop up as a priority for the power company to search out and bother. Kind of 'hiding in plain site' strategy :).

Just confirms we all need to be planning locally because the politicians are only going to save themselves. They think we are all idiot because we vote for them.

I have really made a big effort recently to save as much power as I can and this has been really successful. So I think you could get that 40% figure down.

But, I'm going to have to get a LIB pack feed via panels much sooner now, locally I'm talking to my neighbors and I going to be helping them to get access to mobile power ASAP.

Luckily I have access to boxes of genuine new Telsa 2170s at a reasonable price.
 

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+++ - As a member of Country Fire Service ( CFS ) I can say that during training we are told any house with panels will be considered 'suspect' if you cannot find a big disconnect panel switch near meter box and if you can choose between houses in peril, 'No Panel' house will probably be saved 1st.
Very interesting. While I have the required volts/amp labels and quick disconnects...
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as we know, the actual panels up from the disconnect have live current in the wires. So I can understand where Firemen would be cautious and in a mass emergency (like our wild-fires in Pacific Northwest) they would do other structures first... and from a logic standpoint it makes perfect sense.

Yep - life is complicated sometimes.
 
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ng.sa

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G'Day OGITC

Mate that looks all good to me, I would have no problemo turning off the panels with this setup.

You hit the nail on the head "mass emergency"

For me these fire are all about the 2 Billion animals killed in the big fire near Sydney and the 41,000 Koalas killed or injured in the recent Kangaroo Island fires.

I have never heard of a Politician tiding up the dying animals you find in the bush after a fire has gone thru. the noises are appalling and I have seen big tuff blokes tore apart having to "save" them from torment of melting !!!
 

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t is cheaper to buy Aussie gas in Japan than it is in Sydney because of the contracts our politicians signed with foreign entities.

Same in the Netherlands, "We" have our own gas bubble in the ground would be enough to support us for 40 years...
Our roberment is selling it, to other countries and They import from Ukrainian?!?!?!?!?
Same with our potatoes, we export our own grown and import most from .....Ukrain...
Same with most meat.

Why would you do this

Why?? money.
Buy for 50 cent sell for 1.

It creates more jobs also, means more tax income ect.

Solar panels in the Netherlands:
You buy 1 kwh for 0.22 or sell your own for 0.09....
So to play even on your electric bill you must deliver 2.5 times more than you use yourself.
5 times more if you want to have your array back, without the funding of our roberment.
If U use founding you will be double screwed.
It is not allowed anymore to install (sell) more than 10kwh.
Some farmers installed 100kwh arrays, they are not allowed to sell anymore, due to overload on the grid.
So welcome to the storage systems?
Nope not anymore in the Netherlands most chemistry are filed under a law that is called "law explosive private use"
You can not beat the system, you can only be one step ahead.
Every system is developed to let have the roberment more money than you.

Ev's are still tax free, to promote them...but not for long.
Here is why:
In my calculation i use 100 km a day for communing traffic as example.
You can save 350 euro's a month(on gas and tax), if going full electric, times 10 working months----> 3500 euro.
Oke more, but i did not calculate the wear of the car, replacing a battery would be rufly the same costs after ~50.000 km.
So the roberment would lose 3000 euro a year per car(gasoline is 18 to 22 cents for them to buy the rest is tax, 2 euro for a litre gasoline, 1,50 for diesel)

Your electra bill will go up with 600 euro a year divided by 12 months, if buying your electra.


Like always is best to say nothing, play the saint and in this case just install a battery.
For Dutchies if going on the route for a second handed ev battery make sure the production date is before 2019 and make sure you have a certified electrician due to one of our laws, sorry next will be in dutch cous i dont know the proper translations:

Huur een electromonteur/ elec ing in en geen electricien en de wet waar ik het over heb is de wet over het solidariteit beginsel.
De andere wet is de wet explosief ceviel gebruik.
Take your advantage with this knowledge.

Dont get funds dont register your charging post.
Just buy a ev on private name and not on your company.

I'm obviously a criminal mastermind
You just started...you dont want to hear me out what i achieved against the robberment the last 4 decades.
From biodiesel up to water harvesting and filtration, ect
All legal until they changed a law or two, if the systems would have just one neck, you would easy know how to break it.

In most countries if not all, it is this same old story, i am 90% sure.

I took 4 semesters in Elec. Eng. 1st visit to Uni. and was told 35V and above could be fatal

In the Netherlands the border is 62v, below that you can do it yourself, above is hazardous for dc, ac is 110v.
My papers are saying that i am allowed for max 450 dc and 1050!ac(25 years ago)

+++ - As a member of Country Fire Service ( CFS ) I can say that during training we are told any house with panels will be considered 'suspect' if you cannot find a big disconnect panel switch near meter box and if you can choose between houses in peril, 'No Panel' house will probably be saved 1st.

Yup, totally agree, but in the Netherlands you are obligated to tell the fire department what you have and where you have.
If you dont do this the insurance company will pay you nothing.
The "fire master" will come to check and give you free advice(fire proofing and switching off ect), you will even get a key safe with the key of your home so they can enter the location to switch it off, if you have approval and all is checked by them and a engineer you will be served first.
This is to prevent/protect a lot of dangerous diy ers.
In my case (due to other chemicals) they have my written permission to force what ever needed to get the situation save if it is still save for them.
And they know where to look out for and where to start, in the event that we are not home.
Yep - life is complicated sometimes.
Yes and no, i see it more like a new challenge and new opportunities..A new retrieving game with your puppy :cool: :ROFLMAO:

Stay awake people, follow the rules and look for gaps in the net
 
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