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looks very nice overall. really clean work. You didn't need to make the cables so spaced apart, but from an aesthetics point of view, it looks really nice. The only added suggestion there would be to loosen your points through the wood slightly. Your wires a butted right up against the wood at those turns. Have just a cpl mm spacing if possible to allow for not only the wood shrinking/expanding but also the wires as they go through temperature changes. This will minimize any chaffing that may occur at those points.
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For example more like the top one than the bottom one shown in this picture. Of course, this could just be because the wire on the other side is just hanging or something.
Same goes for these spots:
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You could use a pencil for spacing to help out.
 
Well i did something today....

Changed the mppt's position for better air cooling/flow, mind you there going to be three more.
And i finish the second cabling part...so much work more to do.... before i can finally instal all my batts and expand...
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Best Igor
 
small update on degrading/taking down my system 2.0 and upgrading my system 3.0
Pics are not entirely in good order, but the main point is that the lifepo4 WILL expand
I even must use a crowbar!!!!!
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Believe me it was no fun to take a crowbar to take/shift/wig out one cell....
What if....what if...of course i used a pvc filler for more surface area....but what if....we dont like smoke in the house.....(yes we are smokers..)
A crowbar to tillt a cell to get him out.......good morning....
Anyway i won this match, they lose....
 

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Back to my system 3.0!
It is not fully 100% conectect nor operational, but i am getting there:
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125kw in storage is connected and almost 15kw an hour if wheater is good pv connected.
right mppt low one is for wind..
Keep you updated, thanks for the learning and the hints tips and tricks, more expansion is to come!

With best regards Igor
 
I would put some tape on the crowbar just to be safe. Shorting out a single 280Ah cell could be exciting. The crowbar looks very close to both terminal of that cell.
Later floyd
 
I would put some tape on the crowbar just to be safe. Shorting out a single 280Ah cell could be exciting. The crowbar looks very close to both terminal of that cell.
Later floyd
saw that, that crow bar would turn into a lightbulb instantly.
 

Well finally found some time to connect the pv and the mppts.
Looks like a spider on lsd did the cable management:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:



Look at those cables....


100mm2 wires.



Charging the internal capacitor up, i must admit, this was not really comfortable.



Couple of weeks ago i put some cables in the ground, from inverter to inside, 6mm2.
So for the house we are good to go.

Only thing with that switch, when it switches the inverter off in the event that the cells are "empty" it switches to the grid.....
After the cells are "balanced" again (after a big power demand) the switch goes back to the inverter, and i am not happy with that.
So i am going to instal a ac v meter to give us a estimend how far the cells are, we walk 3 times a day dogs and we work, so a quick look, and then we must manually shut the system off.
is very easy, when the batts are full we have around 245v ac when near low 235v ac dont hang me up on this one, still a bit of guessing work.
So when a "voltage table" is made it easy. or else the switch will go (and we) boncous.



When started cooking we draw a overall incl heating: 6kwh....total v loss from the back of the longest wires to the beginning of the inverter....0.07VOLTS....now that is low.
But not there yet:
Need to instal 3 bmses more for 3x 50A draw.
Now i have "just" 3x 50A and two times 25A

All the cells in the packs have a max deviation of 0.003v with that draw.
All the bmses are dividing the power, deliver or taking power.
Between the packs is in use a deviation of 0.10 volt, that is i think also very low, in not use after a couple of hours of sleep 0.01V
So my cable calculation was very good.

Some things to do in order of the timeline and importance to do:
- ground rod and ground wire, for pv, mppt, inverters, and ac side in the sheds!
- add some cover on the busbars
- adequate ventilation for temperature stability on cells(will give a update about when must do and more important why!!)
- double up the busbars for the near future (to 600mm2 total per bar! 60kwh max bidirectional)
- get 2 extra inverters from xyz or buy 3 5kw victrons.(this is still a debate in my head, mainly(/pure) future wise)
- first extend the two lower packs at the right side or first add 2 more complete packs for more power draw, need total of 400A draw.
- extend the overal battery to a whopping total of ----- drum roffels--->480 KILO WATT
- extend pv array(need to work on the house before this can happen)

Before you all say that is a *o dear* rich man....NO... i am a simple man, what we save, i invest, my journey last for over 5 years now.
Actually, i am not that simple: site manager, work planner, calculator, half a engineer and own boss of a insulation company.
Sinds i started this journey the savings were getting bigger as my pv and my powerwall extended.
Year one before ukrain war: 1500 euro, up to last year almost 4000 euro saved and converted to electric cooking and heating, now that was the "big saving", still calculating with prices before the ukrain war btw.
The "harvest season" was from beginning of april to end september, now our harvest started and use, started beginning februari....just saying.
Lets see what this year will bring, with those extra pv and cells added last year.
To be frankly speaking i am one year in front with our investment. (dont tell my better half)
 
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Now for the moister and condensing moister.
Most equipment can handle 95% rh if it is NOT condensing.
Now condens will appear from even 50%rh and not even 2 Celsius in difference with regarding to mass.
Batts are masse, let some fresh air in that is 2 Celsius higher than the temperature of those cells.
Even with a RH of 50% you will get condensation on your cells(not so much on your electronics).

To avoid a lot of power waisted thru heat and dryers i have a proven cheaper solution.
Oh yes i had a LOT of condensation on my batts, dripping wet water condensation!
Also on the busbars between the cells.
Al is temperature related.
What did i do, some simple cheap but very effective old pc ventilators.... cheap as in free get and cheap in use!

Some pictures of a experimental setup after condensation and the cure:


You can clearly see on what surface the ventilator is blowing for the last hour.
There is dry within 30 minuts.


just dry on that spot and the other outer spot you can clearly see the condensation.





After three hours that whole section was dry



Now i figured out where for my batts is the best place to put up the small pc ventilators.
I also stapelt a paper sheet in front of the pack for a very good airflow.
This works very nice to compensate the quick air temperature differences to eliminate the condensing with the mass of the cells.
With 18650's this problem will not occour very fast, at least with the 18650 cells on the top self was no condensing.

Yes this summer (after the new roof on a shed) if i have time left over(and some money) i will insulate this shed.
And make it more air tight.
I would like to have a cycle life out of them(and it is possible) of minimum 8000 cycles and have 80% SOH left over
But the self life is not even 15 years.....BUT can be prolonged to 60 years and than 80% SOH....
How many Energy Units can you get out of them???nobody knows.
Lets say i can give them 40 years of self life and 8000 cycle life at 40 cycles a year...i am dead long before some degradation will start in those cells.....

Lets see if i can finish my next post with my "best English" this evening regarding the best lifepo4 values...
Again sorry for my bad English, i still do not use google or whatever translate program, please correct me if you feel you must or dont understand me, it is a forum lets learn from each other.
 
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Major sitback....major.
There was some sort of short in the switch i think? switch between the grid and inverter.
Both dont work anymore.
Both make to strange sounds to let me keep them into operating.
One(i think the switch) give up and the ac side of all, all just got a too big hit.
Going to test the switch and the 10kw inverter soon.
But paranoid as i am i will just buy new, will keep you posted....sigh i just wanted to buy 60kw-120kw new storage in lifepo4.....
The breakers did their job perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somehow there was a surge from the ac to the dc side, breakers did there job.
Please dont be cheap on your breakers or fuses, please DONT
If i was cheap on those...120kw unleased in one go?!?!?!?no thank you
Please dont be cheap on your breakers or fuses, please DONT.





Do I need to use fuses and where to use them??
In a word, yes. At some point you need to use a fuse. There are several types of fuses and several locations where fuses are used at.
Cell Level
Pack Level
String Level
Inverter Level
Charger Level
House Level


But this is gold to start with! but it needs update and some more in-depth info, especially on breakers.
Where when and what kind!
Korisan is a busy family man, we all know
 
some progress:
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Finally i started to connect some packs...laying in the floor is not recommended...
It is a hassle.
The blanked was for preventing dust into my clothes.
And it was not comfortable to put my head in-between so much power......
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the wooden sheets on top of the batts are a "safety" net.
Connect all those wires on your back in limited space?!?!? very good those cells will last a minimum of 40 years...


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Looks stupid... i know.
But to plase a fuse between every 5th and 6th cell gives me a good night of sleep.....
We are talking here about 560AH!!!!!!!!!!!! banks times 16!!!!!!!!!!!at 48v nominal....

So there are two fuses in the bank and the bank is protected by breakers and a bms....a very mean junkyard dog bms, that will work longer than i will live....DaLy wont let you down...


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As you could see clearly there are two banks of 560a...meaning 4 times 280ah*16 cells...
Total of 1120Ah....

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So i combined it like this and the middle blue breaker?
Is going to be for heat fuses...
If one pops at 60C the whole bank will be cutt off, i only need to print/buy the "holder" for three breakers.
If one trips, they all trip....

One down....7 more to go.....sigh.....
 
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first 60kw bank is done...programed and all, charging at the first sun of tomorrow......
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two bmses, each is responsible for 30kw....

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yes a wooden sheet between batts while working, beter save and stupid than a accident....

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really 60 f**** kw at the switch...first of 8 that is complete...7 more to go...i hope i will be finished before end of july....8*60kw....what the h*** i am building......

The system 2.0 saved us approx. 2500 euro a year.... now with this system 3,0 we can get rid of gas...and a estimated saving of 4000 a year.... those prices are calculated before putin started the war in ukraine!
after he started the war, prices of electra and gas went sky high.....not my problem was and will be not my problem...

Thanks to those who helped me cutting some knots.....this is really comfortable for me, and yes there are still two (uneeded?!?) fuses between every 5th and 6th cell....between cell 182 and 183 is a very shy fuse, its hiding, but its there....
Just incase a rat or other sneaks in and want to climb on the batts....not the first time i will see a dead rat btw, or to much moister dripping of the cells...
 
I thought mosters only lived under my bed......
A beast has arrived.....a f*** beast at 66 kilo, dont ask me how i brought it in.
My back is protesting and hurting....
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Some batts added.....total of 360KW........THREEHUNDERDSIXTY KILOWHATSS......GOOD MORNING.....
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Some batts added.....total of 360KW........THREEHUNDERDSIXTY KILOWHATSS......GOOD MORNING.....
Not connected yet will do after weekend...

All cells are full, i am glad that every section has its own fuse/switch, so when i turn them all on the will have a minimum of power surcge...
What a work.
Next month a 120kw storage will arrive////what tf i am building....0.5Mw storage will be complete before Christmas.
Next year 1 frea**** Mega watt, before construction vacartion.....

So with this beast and this expansion (120 kw) , i have to thank my father, may he rest in peace...
He was always impressed what i was doing with energy storage, from lead acid to NiMh to li - ion and then to lifepo4...
That was my inheriting. i think i spended well.


With best regards Igor K
 
WOW, that's a metric crapload (or, in English units, a butt-ton) of kwh storage capacity!!! Congrats on creeping ever closer to being a one-man grid-scale installation. :ROFLMAO:

If I could actually get all of my storage online and in use, I'd be around 200kwh, I think. Right now I'm just at ~50kwh, totally off-grid. I've got another ~100kwh in large units, waiting to be hybrid grid-tied. And then I've got 3000+ tested / processed 18650 cells (and another 2000+ cells still untested) sitting around, waiting on me to have time for the tedium of turning them into useful packs... I'm estimating ~40kwh in all those cells, but they're a lot more work than I originally believed!

Cheers, John
 
That's 3.6MW! :eek:
if iam not mistaking, i have only 0.36MW? 360 kilo watt
1 mega watt is 1000 kilo watts right?
i am pretty confused, cous Korishan stated the same in a other thread.

So if i would achieve a 1000 kilo watt than i would have one giga watt?
 
In one corner at 66 kilo the blue challenger for the title true dead weight....



You will laugh your behind off......

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You fat bast**** I won.....
 
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