testing the batteries/cells out of an LG Chem RESU- 10H system

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floydR

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testing procedures wouldn't be much different than testing a 18650 7s pack?

The individual cells are LG jh3 in 7s configuration out of theLG Chem RESU-7H ESS I picked up last weekend. I have multiple packs that won't charge on the X8. Out of the 6 packs I may have two that will sorta charge, the rest are all very low voltage. The average voltages is 8.5 volts. so barely above 1 volt. The cells are 63 amps each when new.

I made an balance connector adapter with an 8s connector (9th wire cut off) to the two 4 wire connectors used on the packs. and tried charging two packs one of the sub 8v and 1 @ 10.22v the 10.22 pack charged to 15v in about 15 minutes it is now sitting at 14.5v, I charged it last night just to see if it would charge.

Would this work and would it be safe?
Alligator clips connected to a plastic/wood 18650 cell then placed in a dumb charger may work. I can remove the covers at either end of battery exspoing the 7 cells.

Even if none of the 6 battery packs can be recovered I have 2 heavy aluminum cases. The larger side for the batteries and the smaller side for a charge controller/solar inverter charger might fit.

later Floyd
 

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^^ ^ The 63A rating must be for a pack (vs. cell),since these are surely energy (not power) cells. Do you have a photo of the label on the cells?
 

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Lipo single cell let me take a photo. very little writing on the cells The 63A is from the specs on the LG Chem RESU-7H which could be different as I think theses were prototype systems. I dropped the h in Ah. My mistake
6s7s batteries connected in series feeding a dc-dc converter that boosts the voltage to 350v-550v for use with storage ready Grid tie inverters.

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back of the pack

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front of pack with only writing on the cells

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side view of the pack
later floyd
 

400bird

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Wow, your pack was in much better condition (higher voltage than mine. And that's saying something with how low your cells are...

My highest cell isn't even 1.0 volt.

Charge, the cells slow. Watch carefully for hot ones or run away voltage on single cells however you do it.

I'm not familiar with 18650 chargers, but are the negative or positive connections bused together? That wouldn't work for a pack already built in series.

Did your DCDC have a prototype sticker?
 

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400bird said:
Wow, your pack was in much better condition (higher voltage than mine. And that's saying something with how low your cells are...

My highest cell isn't even 1.0 volt.

Charge, the cells slow. Watch carefully for hot ones or run away voltage on single cells however you do it.

I'm not familiar with 18650 chargers, but are the negative or positive connections bused together? That wouldn't work for a pack already built in series.

Did your DCDC have a prototype sticker?
Right now I have put up the batteries for the night. I have three of the batteries charged to17v-17.50v, I probably restarted the charger 100 times the x8 has a pre charge that only charges when the cells are real low. only runs for 3 minutes.@.01 amp

I thought about that after I posted. Would have to take the batteries apart to charge a single cell.

Yes the dcdc converter has a prototype sticker on at least one of the units.

Btw I ended up with three LG Chem top covers.
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I concentrated one one battery today. charging it on the pre harge settings till 9 am then had to run out to my parents, got back around 3 pm.

when I left this moning the battery was sitting at 20.95v ish after6 hours it was 20.896v three more cycles of the precharge and the charger switched to the chargong program for "lipo @2A" at 21.45v. going to charge it till 24v checking every 5 minutes. the cells look to be charging pretty much equally only 15 mv difference @22.104v.

I am happy about the way the batteries have responded. Will charge till this one is 24v then take the next and charge it to 24V. so on till they are all charged to 24v

Later floyd
 

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Be very careful. Generally LiPos don't handle well such severe overdischarges. Even though these are high-end cells likely with chemistry tweaks to improve safety, if you notice any swelling or other anomalies then immediately stop charging. In particular don't charge them unattended (e.g. an RC hobby shop owner stepped out for 10 minutes while a lipo wascharging and it burneddown his shop)
 

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every 5 minute checks and are about 10 feet from me 2 amps is about .30 C , I check them more often that 5 minutes more like 2.5 minute intervals. have stayed the same temp since I started charging again this afternoon.
Later floyd
Charged up to 24v in a bit over 2 hours now charging the next one start 17.68v
 

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More testing
LG Chem RESU-7H ESS test procedures
1) Took the heavy aluminum Case apart so I could get to the batteries, DC-DC converter and wiring. smell check burnt wiring smell, leaky battery smell

2) Disconnected the DC-DC converter from batteries. Removed dc-dc convertor.

3) Removed the series connections and the balance leads from the batteries

4) Removed the batteries checked for swelling cells, leaking cells


5) tested the voltage of the batteries 3@~10v , 3@~7v-8v.

6) Was able to charge the ones at 10v slowly to 21v by using the pre-charge funtion of the Icharger x8 at first 3 minutes at a time@.09-.1 A at a time, later Iincreased the pre-charge time to the max 5 minutes and also increased the amperage to .5 A.

7) first three batteries charged to 21 volts at which time the icharger switched to a 2A charging progrm. I stopped the charge at 24v,

8)The last three were a challenge. I connected The last three in parallel hooked the x8 to the top postive post and the bottom negative post this shouldn't have worked but it did. I ran the pre-charge 2 times. I now had a fourth battery that charged up to 24v.

9) On the last two batteries the x8 would not work voltage too low even for lipo pre-charge to work. I needed to figure out a way to raise the voltage just a little. what I decided to do is charge for 2-4 seconds on the NiMH setting on the x8 balance leads still connected. That raised the voltage to above 10v didn't need much less than hslf a volt. Probably not the way to do it, but it worked.

10) I charged one of the last two batteries last night to 19v and the other battery is now charging should be around 21v by the time I have to leave to pickup a friend.
11) 21v for 7s lipo is the magic number for the normal charging programs to work and all the cells need to be above 3v. or it will stop. Once both these conditions are met the precharge program switches to the normal charging program.

12) Once all the batteries are at 24v I will charge them to 28.7 and do a discharge test with the x8.

I did some recalculations today and it appears 63Ah is wishful thinking. For 7000 watt/25.2/6= 46.3 Ah.
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For step one, did you have burnt wiring and leaky cells? Not sure I'm reading that correctly.

And congrats on getting them all up to a healthier voltage! I haven't been back to mine since tearing it down (and finding see very, very low cells)


I'm not sure the math is that simple, I wonder if LG included losses from the DCDC in the kwh reading? I think the 63Ah spec comes directly from the individual cells, but I can't find a spec sheet for these cells.
 

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No burnt wiring or leaky cells, I would have smelled if there were. Probably should have said smell check: check for burnt wiring/leaky cell smells found none.

I had seen 63 Ah in the specs on the LG Chem RESU-7H so I didn't question it. Hope I am wrong.


Hope you can revive your cells

later floyd
 

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Cool
My DCDC case was dented, but I'm not likely using it. Cells and wiring looked great.

If it goes well, I should have my first pack up to 20 volts this evening. My cells were lower than yours so I have been going with a lower current. 200mA, it takes forever, but it feels safer.
 

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I probably won't be reusing either of the dc-dc units.

Glad you have managed to get a pack to charge. What are you using to charge it?

I agree it feels safer at a lower mA rate. if no heat or swelling maybe up the mA after you get to 21v? even feels slow at 2A I have been charging one of the better packs for 9 hours@2A the voltage is 25.5 and has put 17.75 AH into the battery.
later floyd
p.s. 23.85v to 25.5v
 

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Currently, with the cells so low I am using a bench power supply with a chargery BMS hooked up only to monitor cell voltage. The chargery also includes temp sensors, so I thought, might as well throw one on each side of the pack. They are sort of tucked under the blanks where the original temp sensors were not installed.

Once I get to 3 volts/cell I think I will switch it to the x8 and turn up the current to something similar to the 2a your pushing. But, 2a into a what might be 63ah cells? And there are 6 packs. This could take quite a while...
 

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Finally got enough time to get the first pack up to 3.2v/cell. I just bumped the current to to 2.0a

Cell differential is good, but not as good as your pack. 51mV at roughly 3.3 volts
 

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very good

later floyd
the first pack charged between 51.293 and 56Ah, I know I need to do a discharge test
 

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Battery 1 Charged @2A topping off after battery 2
Battery 2 got warm when charged @5A now toping off @4A
Battery 3 57.864Ah 28.66v 6mv done at 4A charge
These Three were around 10v.

The last 3 were around 7v I have charged them to 24v later this week I will do a regenerative discharge from 10v group of batteries into the 7v batteries
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Impressive. I like the results, getting 57ah into one pack on the first cycle. I wonder how much more capacity will return after a couple cycles?

How warm at 5a? That is a bit concerning. I was expecting these to handle something like 30a charge and 60a discharge. But, that's a guess. I still haven't come across a spec sheet for these cells.

My first pack is just finishing the first charge up. 4.05v/cell now. Going up to 4.1/cell (28.7) then I will use it to trickle into the next cell group. Your set up seems much more efficient that what I have going on. My first pack has spent nearly 24 hours on the x8 and is just reaching my max (for now)

Also, my cell voltage differential improved quite a lot. Before I switched to the icharger, I had 5mv delta. The x8 has been balancing since connected.
 

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Warm as in I was being overly cautious probably was 10 degrees above ambient temp and I don't need any more heat than the central valley already has. :) I suspect that you are right about charge and discharge rate being quite a bit higher.

I was having to do the charge in stages only charge when I am home and awake since I live in the city and I like my neighbors and neighborhood.

I will find out more once do a discharge test.

my cell voltage differential at end of charge has been 5mv rather consistently. both packs I charge till the x8 said done have been 5mv
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Good news, on the temps. I'm out in the central valley also and following about the same strategy. Only charge when home and able to check on the pack frequently.

It had about a 5mv cell diff once I got into a more normal cell voltage range. Then I hooked it to x8 to charge, but forgot to turn off balancing. Now it's 1mv!

Starting to charge pack #2
I am tempted to trickle the remaining 4 up to 3.0v/cell. Then parallel them all together and charge as a pack. It would speed things up a bunch.

This is taking for ever! The first pack literally spent 2 entire days on the charger to reach 4.1v (that puts the entire charge time well over 24 hours, possibility closer to 30)
 
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