I have around (maybe slightly under) 3000 (three thousand) ICR 18650 cells that are almost all in 4-cell series packs. They are labeled:
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ICR 18650 2600mah/37.44Wh 14.4V
And these have dates mostly from 2015 on them.
I expect all of them to contain Samsung ICR18650 cells in them, though I have samples here that are 26H and 26F already but I think most of mine are 26F. Although these seem fine in terms of quality and would be convenient to keep inside these 4S1P packs, I think they clearly need to be disassembled in order to be used in larger packs. I’ve not totally thought through the dynamics of putting many 4S cells together in parallel, or abominable sounding configurations like 3S4P4S, but it seems to me like even though these are 4S packs with a functioning built-in BMS circuit in each, I’ll probably want to tear them down for a safe approach in assembling larger packs.
I have done a bit of prep, I've got a 24V 14A DC power supply and 4 of these DROK CC/CV driver boards (2 each in a small and large size, where the small ones can pump out 3A, the large ones I've got to look it up but can output at least twice as much). I got these ahead of time in anticipation of the work involved in conditioning, charging, measuring all of these cells, and I haven't got around to seriously planning to start the job till now.
I'm realizing as I learn a bit more, that it'll be somewhat difficult to establish cell capacities using just this equipment. I have an OPUS BT-C3100 charger here which is capable of doing automated capacity testing, but it's only able to do 4 cells at a time which will be somewhat limiting. I also plan on doing some tests on that unit to make sure it measures capacity reliably across its own 4 lanes (i suppose i'll run the same cell through it once in each lane and do analysis on the numbers I get). I suppose if it comes out well I could get 3 more of those and it may be productive enough for me at that point.
I knew that it is better to store cells in cool temperatures with a 40% or so charge level for best longevity, and unfortauntely it's been almost 3 years i've been in possession of these and i haven't had the time to do anything remotely close to discharging all of these packs half way. I'm glad enough already that I haven't been forced to dispose of them or had them burn up any houses.
I rambled too much. Here are my questions:
1. Alternatives to measuring capacity: as a first stage of filtering, bad cells can be filtered out by monitoring if they heat up more compared to others while they are charged in parallel with other cells. This can also be done while discharging some cells. I think IR should account for most of this heating phenomenon. And it is known that higher IR is correlated with lower capacity/worse condition cells.
At first I was planning to set up clamps with resistive load and voltmeter integrated, so I could pop a cell in and quickly measure its IR via voltage drop. But using temperature to compare cells to each other seems like a clever way to skirt around this as a separate step. It won’t be as high a resolution of measurement, and also only a relative measurement. But I think it will work great to reject bad cells quickly as a first pass. Capacity will probably still be painstakingly measured for cells that are staged for building packs. And for large packs, IR is not an impactful property. I am trying to use IR as a way to estimate capacity/quality.
2. Discharging procedure/equipment. I think I probably have charging hardware sorted, since I could easily configure many cells to charge together in parallel using my CC/CV supply units I already have, especially if I 3D print a bunch of cell holders. But let’s say I want to bring my cells down to storage level, I would like to make loads for doing that. I think incandescent light bulbs would work pretty great, since I have them on hand, and the analog voltage/current feedback is great, but I’d need to make a circuit to allow me to dial in a specific voltage to stop discharging at, since I’m not interested in over-discharging any cells. I know I can get many off the shelf dummy/tester loads and don’t really need to save cash that much, but doing so cleverly is its own reward!
CORUN
ICR 18650 2600mah/37.44Wh 14.4V
And these have dates mostly from 2015 on them.
I expect all of them to contain Samsung ICR18650 cells in them, though I have samples here that are 26H and 26F already but I think most of mine are 26F. Although these seem fine in terms of quality and would be convenient to keep inside these 4S1P packs, I think they clearly need to be disassembled in order to be used in larger packs. I’ve not totally thought through the dynamics of putting many 4S cells together in parallel, or abominable sounding configurations like 3S4P4S, but it seems to me like even though these are 4S packs with a functioning built-in BMS circuit in each, I’ll probably want to tear them down for a safe approach in assembling larger packs.
I have done a bit of prep, I've got a 24V 14A DC power supply and 4 of these DROK CC/CV driver boards (2 each in a small and large size, where the small ones can pump out 3A, the large ones I've got to look it up but can output at least twice as much). I got these ahead of time in anticipation of the work involved in conditioning, charging, measuring all of these cells, and I haven't got around to seriously planning to start the job till now.
I'm realizing as I learn a bit more, that it'll be somewhat difficult to establish cell capacities using just this equipment. I have an OPUS BT-C3100 charger here which is capable of doing automated capacity testing, but it's only able to do 4 cells at a time which will be somewhat limiting. I also plan on doing some tests on that unit to make sure it measures capacity reliably across its own 4 lanes (i suppose i'll run the same cell through it once in each lane and do analysis on the numbers I get). I suppose if it comes out well I could get 3 more of those and it may be productive enough for me at that point.
I knew that it is better to store cells in cool temperatures with a 40% or so charge level for best longevity, and unfortauntely it's been almost 3 years i've been in possession of these and i haven't had the time to do anything remotely close to discharging all of these packs half way. I'm glad enough already that I haven't been forced to dispose of them or had them burn up any houses.
I rambled too much. Here are my questions:
1. Alternatives to measuring capacity: as a first stage of filtering, bad cells can be filtered out by monitoring if they heat up more compared to others while they are charged in parallel with other cells. This can also be done while discharging some cells. I think IR should account for most of this heating phenomenon. And it is known that higher IR is correlated with lower capacity/worse condition cells.
At first I was planning to set up clamps with resistive load and voltmeter integrated, so I could pop a cell in and quickly measure its IR via voltage drop. But using temperature to compare cells to each other seems like a clever way to skirt around this as a separate step. It won’t be as high a resolution of measurement, and also only a relative measurement. But I think it will work great to reject bad cells quickly as a first pass. Capacity will probably still be painstakingly measured for cells that are staged for building packs. And for large packs, IR is not an impactful property. I am trying to use IR as a way to estimate capacity/quality.
2. Discharging procedure/equipment. I think I probably have charging hardware sorted, since I could easily configure many cells to charge together in parallel using my CC/CV supply units I already have, especially if I 3D print a bunch of cell holders. But let’s say I want to bring my cells down to storage level, I would like to make loads for doing that. I think incandescent light bulbs would work pretty great, since I have them on hand, and the analog voltage/current feedback is great, but I’d need to make a circuit to allow me to dial in a specific voltage to stop discharging at, since I’m not interested in over-discharging any cells. I know I can get many off the shelf dummy/tester loads and don’t really need to save cash that much, but doing so cleverly is its own reward!