Korishan said:
0.2V or 0.02V?
0.2V is too much and any pack that is that far out from the others needs attention. Even 0.1V difference could lead to a major issue.
0.02V is fine, but I'd be worried if the variance starts to increase. 0.4 is when you'd really want to start tracking down the issue.
Also, with the increase in cells in parallel, that variance increases needing attention as the Wh of wasted energy goes up quickly. And this also makes the bms work harder to keep everything in balance.
Yes - I ment .02v
Redpacket said:
I'd suggest 0.06V (ie 60mV) is not too bad for variance.
The Batrium cellmons have 10mV resolution.
Top balancing (like the Batrium gear does) should be targeting the same voltage anyway.
In the Batrium s/w, under Menu > Hardware > Cellmon > Bypass Extra Mode have you enabled "Auto Level"?
You mentioned you have different numbers of cells per pack to get equal capacity. This does mean cells in packs with less cells would get worked slightly harder, but this shouldn't be enough to make a difference.
Part of the question is: "what's the trend?"
The packs you mentioned that are 0.11V (110mV) out, do they
- both get to minimum (go flat first) & maximum (get to full earliest)? Eg the cells have lost capacity.
- never get to full voltage (always lag lower), eg they have 1 (or maybe more) self dischargers or higher capacity than the rest.
Some packs internal resistance may have climbed = uneven charge/discharge vs other packs.
>This does mean cells in packs with less cells would get worked slightly harde
My packs are 260ah +/- 1ah each.Some have 2150mah cells (120 +/- a couple) and some 2600mah cells (100 cells +/- a couple). This does not seem to be an issue in voltage variances going up/down.
>have you enabled "Auto Level"?
I experimented with this but at 260ah per pack, it didn't do much when I have 5 'bad' packs with such variance. It seems that letting longmons get hot shortens their life span - not sure how much balancing / shorter life, but makes sense to limit unneeded balancing for longer life. I'll get back to it when I get the bad packs replaced / smoothed out.
>The packs you mentioned that are 0.11V (110mV) out, do they
I have 5 packs (of 42) that go lower and/or higher than all the rest. They happen to be made up of green cell Sony US18650GR-G5 and G7s.
>both get to minimum (go flat first) & maximum (get to full earliest)? Eg the cells have lost capacity.
Yes - these 5 packs to flat first
>never get to full voltage (always lag lower), eg they have 1 (or maybe more) self dischargers or higher capacity than the rest.
They charge faster (go to higher voltage faster) than rest.
>Some packs internal resistance may have climbed = uneven charge/discharge vs other packs.
Not sure if this high voltage variance is Sony G5/G7 characteristic but my main theory is that I damaged them - e.g. they went down to 2.8v or 2.5v or 2.0v over 100 cycles before I got my Batrium.
You suggest that high internal resistance could be the cause of voltage variance... and if I damaged them, it would cause high internal resistance - so the 'damage' theory seems to hold together.
I have cells of same type as good packs to replace these 5 bad packs and will take the bad ones apart and re-runthem thru OPUS and see if i can find bad cells / high resistance. If I do, I'll assume I damaged them. If not - then will look for alternate theory