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Belgium people: united we should stand
#11
There are strong regulations and the problem is that these recycling firms have a very tight eye on them. In our eyes we are "saving the world" from a heap of otherwise discarted batteries, however they have strict regulations, once it is in the system it can't get out.

then there are 2 more factors
- we are just to small, you might think you are buying a heap when you ask for 2000 batteries, but they get them with the truckloads. It is not worth hring an extra person to earn some pennies, they have to think bigger
- probably like in any other business recyling is big business, again we are the shrimp.

I honestly have no idea how this recycling works, but i guess it is like most things... grind em up seperate materials, it simply goes way faster. (yup just googled, it's all the same)

I would follow the advice to get them from places where they discart batteries, bike shops, and so on, bike shops might be interesting since you get more at once since they contain a lot of cells however i have tried it a few times and most of them are completely dead. Most 'elderly' people around here use it till it stops charing. At that point they are basically dead.

Ps, yes Limburg, tops :p dutch or flemish Wink
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#12
We  have the same problem here in France. Decheteries  (government run waste collection centers) are not allowed to give or sell anything. I've tried shops and they say by law only a registered recycler can take them.
EBay UK has lots but they are not allowed to post outside the UK.
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#13
I've seen this, don't fall for it. This source is selling new cells for usual, high prices. Nothing special. nkon.nl is still the way to go if you want new cells, eu.nkon.nl if you don't speak dutch.
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#14
(09-26-2017, 07:31 PM)Abarth595 Wrote: Was there a brand on the box? can you post a picture of the case? it's helpfull.

I have a thread in "youtube vids" in the forum, especially on ebike batteries. Posting the pic in there can create a "database"...

http://secondlifestorage.com/t-E-bike-ba...ted-videos

29 cells... strange number, usually 7x, 8x, 9x or 10x.

or it was 29 good ones + one vented.

It was an unbranded battery. The case was aluminium, with backlight on one end and charging connector on the other.

It was 29 good ones + one vented
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#15
haha Belgians are everywhere it seems Smile

I think it's not doable to go full off-grid here in Belgium (unless you live like a caveman) because there is too little sun during winter to recharge them.
Looking at my solar production from the last week it was not even covering 1/4 of my daily use).

My idea is running lighting only on a small solar off grid installation, also for backup in case of a blackout (since several years now that they talk there could be problems on the Belgian grid during winter) and maybe also power my water heater (its an natural gas heater, so only the controller electronics shouldn't consume that much), for this I made the following "idea list":
-buy an extra solar panel: loose ones are also hard to find, most are offered in kits or are way too expensive, but rebulb seems ok quality/price and sells them individual- I have a small piece of flat roof where I could mount 1 - 4 solar panels myself.
-mppt charge controller, reprogramm it to be able to do the voltages for LI-ION, thinking to buy a bluesolar since I read these can be freely reprogrammed with the interface cable
-starting off with a 4S20P ~ 40Ah 18650 setup (maybe I'll go for a 4S40P later)

I work in a large international IT company and I was lucky enough that I could harvest all packs from laptops the company was throwing away ... I think I have over 120 packs now (all 9 cells)
so I should have over a thousand cells, which I am probably never going to use all (4S40P is only 160 cells ... )

Greetings from near Leuven.
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#16
(11-17-2017, 12:11 PM)ghosty.be Wrote: haha Belgians are everywhere it seems Smile

I think it's not doable to go full off-grid here in Belgium (unless you live like a caveman) because there is too little sun during winter to recharge them.
Looking at my solar production from the last week it was not even covering 1/4 of my daily use).

My idea is running lighting only on a small solar off grid installation, also for backup in case of a blackout (since several years now that they talk there could be problems on the Belgian grid during winter) and maybe also power my water heater (its an natural gas heater, so only the controller electronics shouldn't consume that much), for this I made the following "idea list":
-buy an extra solar panel: loose ones are also hard to find, most are offered in kits or are way too expensive, but rebulb seems ok quality/price and sells them individual- I have a small piece of flat roof where I could mount 1 - 4 solar panels myself.
-mppt charge controller, reprogramm it to be able to do the voltages for LI-ION, thinking to buy a bluesolar since I read these can be freely reprogrammed with the interface cable
-starting off with a 4S20P ~ 40Ah 18650 setup (maybe I'll go for a 4S40P later)

I work in a large international IT company and I was lucky enough that I could harvest all packs from laptops the company was throwing away ... I think I have over 120 packs now (all 9 cells)
so I should have over a thousand cells, which I am probably never going to use all (4S40P is only 160 cells ... )

Greetings from near Leuven.

I'm very aware that in winter solar doesn't yield enough. That's why I plan to install a generator. If I look at my electricity bill, even without netto using a single kWh of electricity, I can win back that generator in a couple of years. And currently I'm working on a greener alternative....
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#17
a greener alternative.... ? Now you made me curious Shy
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#18
@wim: Just be careful. He might be just referring to painting it green   Tongue Angel Rolleyes
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#19
(11-23-2017, 06:13 PM)Ivo Staelens Wrote:
(11-17-2017, 12:11 PM)ghosty.be Wrote: haha Belgians are everywhere it seems Smile

I think it's not doable to go full off-grid here in Belgium (unless you live like a caveman) because there is too little sun during winter to recharge them.
Looking at my solar production from the last week it was not even covering 1/4 of my daily use).

My idea is running lighting only on a small solar off grid installation, also for backup in case of a blackout (since several years now that they talk there could be problems on the Belgian grid during winter) and maybe also power my water heater (its an natural gas heater, so only the controller electronics shouldn't consume that much), for this I made the following "idea list":
-buy an extra solar panel: loose ones are also hard to find, most are offered in kits or are way too expensive, but rebulb seems ok quality/price and sells them individual- I have a small piece of flat roof where I could mount 1 - 4 solar panels myself.
-mppt charge controller, reprogramm it to be able to do the voltages for LI-ION, thinking to buy a bluesolar since I read these can be freely reprogrammed with the interface cable
-starting off with a 4S20P ~ 40Ah 18650 setup (maybe I'll go for a 4S40P later)

I work in a large international IT company and I was lucky enough that I could harvest all packs from laptops the company was throwing away ... I think I have over 120 packs now (all 9 cells)
so I should have over a thousand cells, which I am probably never going to use all (4S40P is only 160 cells ... )

Greetings from near Leuven.

I'm very aware that in winter solar doesn't yield enough. That's why I plan to install a generator. If I look at my electricity bill, even without netto using a single kWh of electricity, I can win back that generator in a couple of years. And currently I'm working on a greener alternative....

My vote is for a wood/waste-oil fired boiler w/steam turbine. I am a ways away but that is one of my projects, painted green of course.

However, I see the same thing here (Western Canada) but not enforced by regulation directly but rather a quazi-government funded private corporation posing as "recycler" which should you "participate" in their program forbids you from giving or selling your e-waste to anybody else. There also seems to be wide-spread fear on the part of a supplier that they me held libel should a cell they sell/gift catch fire and cause property damage. 

It is sad but reality.
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#20
I wonder if you came up with a letter of liability release stating that by taking these cells/batteries off their hands they would not be held liable for what ever happens to the cells/batteries once they leave the building if they'd be more willing to give the cells/batteries to us. *ponders*
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