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Regarding Pack design and naming convention
#11
(01-06-2019, 11:51 AM)DarkRaven Wrote: We're trying to provide guidance on how to use the notations properly to make sure that everyone is talking about the same thing.

Good idea, but whatever is posted, needs to be 100% unambiguous.
#12
I have seen a standard that do have parts of it explaining the xsyp thingy.. And its opposite the way most users and companies do it like we have sticked to here.

I was given info about it but the guy in question refused to show me it since it was not an open thing and you had to pay for it... With that said I will look for it so you Sean can see if thats something you can get hold of.

I need to dig through a 1km long chat and maiklthreads since i dont remember the publication number of it...
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#13
(01-06-2019, 12:26 PM)daromer Wrote:  ........ since i dont remember the publication number of it...

 ..... that's disappointing.
#14
(01-06-2019, 12:05 PM)Sean Wrote:
(01-06-2019, 11:51 AM)DarkRaven Wrote: We're trying to provide guidance on how to use the notations properly to make sure that everyone is talking about the same thing.

Good idea, but whatever is posted, needs to be 100% unambiguous.

I think this is unambiguous actually. There is a difference between inherent complexity and ambiguity. It is not as if something is ambiguous just because some people are not able to grasp the complexity of the whole concept on first try.

And let us be honest here, even if there is the one official standard, published by some kind of governing body, how much would it be worth? Standards are only as good as their adoption rate. If it is behind a paywall and unknown to the vast majority of people then you could also have no standard at all and it would not make a difference. If even we don't know about it, how is this going to reach someone new to the business? There are people starting to build their own batteries, barely able to understand what a lithium cell is and you try to tell them that the notation of how they are constructed used everywhere is wrong and it should be reversed. Good luck with that! Big Grin

We have a de facto standard used for ages, if there is (or was) any interest in establishing a real standard it is too late now. For a standard to work you need a generally accepted governing body of some kind and official documentation of the standard, available to the public, which then everyone adopts. If you do not have this, and it seems we do not have either, then you will not have a standard that is worth anything.
#15
(01-06-2019, 01:02 PM)DarkRaven Wrote: We have a de facto standard used for ages .....

Then any attempts to document that de facto standard should be completely unambiguous to everyone, not just you - as has been demonstrated, that's clearly not the case.
#16
So 1 person is confused with the nomenclature and all of a sudden it's not an accepted standard and has become ambiguous. Gotcha!
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#17
(01-06-2019, 02:27 PM)Korishan Wrote: So 1 person is confused with the nomenclature and all of a sudden it's not an accepted standard and has become ambiguous.  Gotcha!

Nope, one person has taken the time point out the ambiguous nature of what's been documented.

That's not the same as stating that one person is confused.
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#18
(01-06-2019, 02:06 PM)Sean Wrote:
(01-06-2019, 01:02 PM)DarkRaven Wrote: We have a de facto standard used for ages .....

Then any attempts to document that de facto standard should be completely unambiguous to everyone, not just you - as has been demonstrated, that's clearly not the case.

Well, if you think that not understanding something is caused, causally, by it being ambiguous and that there is no other possibility why anyone could be confused about it, then this is another story entirely. And luckily it is yours alone.
#19
(01-06-2019, 02:35 PM)Sean Wrote:
(01-06-2019, 02:27 PM)Korishan Wrote: So 1 person is confused with the nomenclature and all of a sudden it's not an accepted standard and has become ambiguous.  Gotcha!

Nope, one person has taken the time point out the ambiguous nature of what's been documented.

That's not the same as stating that one person is confused.

There have been plenty of people who have asked about this nomenclature in other sections. And in those replies many of us have said "Hey, check out the explanation in the FAQ <link>". They come back with "OHh! Thanks, makes a lot more sense now"

Sooooo, with that logic, it seems that the FAQ is doing it's job about helping people out to understand how and why the naming is done the way that it is. Again, if 1 person is confused about it, that doesn't make it ambiguous.

If there really were an issue with this subject, why are you just now making a big fuss about it. This has been in the FAQ for almost a year, if not longer. If there was an error in the way it was presented, discussed, explained, why wait till now to raise a ruckus over it. I think the common sense and logical thing would have been to raise a question about waaaay back then and then back it up with the reasons why you view it that way.

As it stands now, this has gone completely OT. And for those reasons, I'm closing this thread. When daromer is able to get this requested information about the datafile, he can post his results here, and maybe re-open this thread.
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#20
We picked this way of naming it in beginning because thats what 90% of the places name it as.

Standard or not thats the most common way to name it for now.
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