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Airco split unit
#11
I think more like "Holy Sh.t!" Wink
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(08-14-2019, 01:17 AM)Korishan Wrote: I think more like "Holy Sh.t!"  Wink

Ah, that makes more sense! Tongue
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#13
If you didn't store it properly and just released the gas then get someone to flare the pipes again and gas it up. You can do the basic install with wiring and mounting which would save on the money.

In the future, you can turn the compressor on by leaving it on cold and shut the valve and have all the gas collect back in the outside unit. It's not going to evacuate all the lines completely but most of it will be in the compressor and not the pipes. Then when you install it you hook the pipes up and crack one side open until all the air is evacuated. No vacuum needed, but will have some loss of gas. Probably a few youtubes out there on how to do it.
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(08-06-2019, 02:05 AM)mike Wrote:
(08-04-2019, 07:13 PM)chuckp Wrote: Over here its a massive no no to let any refrigerant escape to atmosphere.

In the US, that's something like a $37,500 fine (if I recall correctly) and there is a bounty reward if you rat your neighbors out.

The UK government department responsible for administering the F-gas regulations, DEFRA (Department for Environment Food & Rural Affairs) is implementing a multi tier fine system based on the severity of the break in regulation.

Four groups of penalty ranging in scale from £1,000 to £200,000 based on the seriousness of the infringement.

The maximum fine of £200,000 applied to offences such as the intentional release of F-gases to atmosphere, breaches of the quota limits for placing HFCs on the market, and failure to comply with an enforcement notice.

Fines of up to £100,000 for offences where the impacts are likely to be less severe, but emissions of F-gases are still likely. This would include contravening F-gas requirements and procedures for minimising emissions or leakage of F-gases and recovering F-gases from equipment. It would also be levied on non-F-gas certified people handling F-gases or on those not fulfilling the requirements to register for and verify quota usage.

A maximum fine of £50,000 applied to breaches including failing to correctly label F-gases or products containing them; failing to comply with the requirements for declarations of conformity for importing products containing F-gases; and failing to keep records of F-gases used in equipment or F-gas sales.

Minor breaches such as not reporting within the prescribed deadline on F-gas production, import, export, destruction and feedstock usage carry a maximum fine of £10,000.
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@Korishan and Mike. Blush Sorry

@chuckp.
So it would be better to let this airco go, to avoid trouble?
or will the system be good for yeaaaaars to come?
I suspect that they will keep addresses of people who bought/refill them?
And what if I want to get rid of it?(I suspect they will vacuum it, against a cheap price?)
Or its a leaker?

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(08-16-2019, 04:44 PM)100kwh-hunter Wrote: @Korishan and Mike. Blush Sorry

@chuckp.
So it would be better to let this airco go, to avoid trouble?
or will the system be good for yeaaaaars to come?
I suspect that they will keep addresses of people who bought/refill them?
And what if I want to get rid of it?(I suspect they will vacuum it, against a cheap price?)
Or its a leaker?

With best regards,

You can service/fill it yourself. You just can't let freon escape. The problem becomes if you install/fill it and it doesn't work, now you have to call someone out to empty it so you can get rid of it. I just went through this with my truck. I thought I had the leaking AC fixed so I filled it, but ended up needing a new compressor as well, so I had to pay the garage to evacuate the lines so I could replace the compressor. It was only $20 but assume a house call from an HVAC tech will be a bit more expensive...
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(08-20-2019, 01:29 PM)mike Wrote: I had to pay the garage to evacuate the lines so I could replace the compressor. It was only $20 but assume a house call from an HVAC tech will be a bit more expensive...

At Harbor Freight they have an A/C evacuation pump. I think they have two models. Fairly inexpensive (for what it does) and pretty reliable. My uncle has one and has used it several times so far. The advantages is that it also works for non-A/C systems as well. So if you find you need to pull a vacuum on something else, you can do it.

Also, if you find that there is a leak, you can vacuum it back down before you loose very much freon.

https://www.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vac...61245.html
$95. You can probably get it for 20% or 25% off if you catch it during their mark down sales and use the coupon. That's what my uncle did.
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(08-16-2019, 04:44 PM)100kwh-hunter Wrote: So it would be better to let this airco go, to avoid trouble?
or will the system be good for yeaaaaars to come?
I suspect that they will keep addresses of people who bought/refill them?
And what if I want to get rid of it?(I suspect they will vacuum it, against a cheap price?)
Or its a leaker?

With best regards,

I'm not sure of your regulations and sales restrictions but I would assume they aren't to dissimilar from ours.
If you can get the refrigerant and you are or know someone who is able to recharge it, it's probably worth a shot. You will need to vac it down before filling, leave it on vacuum for awhile before filling you'll soon see if it's a leaker or not.

(08-20-2019, 01:29 PM)mike Wrote: You can service/fill it yourself. You just can't let freon escape. The problem becomes if you install/fill it and it doesn't work, now you have to call someone out to empty it so you can get rid of it. I just went through this with my truck. I thought I had the leaking AC fixed so I filled it, but ended up needing a new compressor as well, so I had to pay the garage to evacuate the lines so I could replace the compressor. It was only $20 but assume a house call from an HVAC tech will be a bit more expensive...

In the UK anyone (I loosely use the term competent) can service their own equipment, but the new refrigerant sales restriction that went into effect on January, 1st 2018, prevented users from purchasing HFC refrigerant such as R-410A, R-404A, and R-134a unless they are registered with the Environmental Protection Agency.

The EPA will only register a user if they hold a current Fgas certificate, making it impossible for the general public to purchase HFC refrigerant from reputable suppliers.

There are however some sellers on EB that will sell to anyone a 10 Kg cylinder of R404A for around £300, even the small 2 Kg cylinders go for around the £150 mark.

I'm sure there has been many accidental releases having been reported and many more gone unreported that was probably responsible for the new sales restrictions.
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Yeah, just to be clear - I am not trying to give someone advice. PLEASE check your own local regulations/laws before doing anyting Wink
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@ mike plus one.
You must always: check your own local regulations/laws before doing anything.
This is a world wide web....
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