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What To Do With Free Lead-Acid Batteries?
#1
I am not sure if this is the right section:


A uncle (scrapyard owner) of mine can have for almost free all the lead acid batteries he want(and i also...of course!)
He won't sell to other of course, law sorry
The batteries are most forklift batts, deep cycle, 1.2v cells, traction-semi traction ect......name it...lead acid...
BUT: Second handed, scrap ect...
What would you do? if you would have the space for it.
I know how to handle them and how to check them(my uncle not)
I am not talking about 10 kwh, but 2-3-400kwh if possible with good batts in 6 months


Options suggestions ect are welcome, and what would you do????

thanks in advanceFree
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#2
Fork Lift batts and similar are great. Most of the time it's just a single cell or 2 that are causing the issues with the whole pack. Replace the cell and you're back to operation.

I'm trying to get a fork list battery from a local store. They have two of them that have been sitting in the store for over a year. So, gotta get hazmat license first before I go back to them.

Using these batteries, you wouldn't be putting the stress that a fork lift puts on them. they use LOTs of amps to run.

If it were me, I'd get them for sure. The more you have, the easier it is to have nice good solid ones.
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#3
hazmat license? googled that one.
For some batteries, wow.....
Still learning English. Learning Li ion and solar technology.

4200 cells in packs Exclamation above 2500mah and 90%soh.
1500 waiting for testing.

Saving for 3 times phoenix inverter 48/3000 230v to gain also 380v
3 chargers?

Time is our enemy, must work to, the sun is our friend, must relax to.
With best regards
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#4
If you can get them for free, great. But, lead acid has:
* only about 85% charge/discharge efficiency, vs near 100% for lithium. That's not counting the losses in the charger/inverter
* loses about 10% charge per month to self-discharge
* degrades when left (partially-)discharged for long (couple of days?) due to sulfation. Basically, _requires_ a full charge at least every couple of days.

So if you want to use it to supplement your lithium ion powerwall, how to implement in a compatible, useful, and efficient manner? I don't know, so my SLAs (semi-deep cycle) are just sitting pretty, seeing action only when there is a blackout.
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#5
I would leave there in your uncles yard.

Unless you have a way to properly cycle lead acid batteries , you will not be happy with the results.

Fork Lift Batteries require a minimum charge amps to prevent acid stratification , how many depends on size of battery.

Partial charging leads to the next problem


Lead sulfate is difficult to to redissolve if it has been there too long. The sulfate crystal gets tighter together with age and

gets to impossible redissolve because the charger shuts off at amperage drop off , Thinking that it has a full charge.


As for cleaning or taking the battery apart . It is next impossible to get the cells out of the case because they have

swelled outward for a very tight fit . I have tried to pull out a cell and yanked the top clean off , with acid and lead going

everywhere. Unless you know the magic word , its not coming apart cleanly.

Those batteries in your uncle's yard are there for a reason, bad cells. Now if they came for a company that gets new ones every

four or five years because the warranty is up , You might get lucky.

Unless you have lots of free watts laying around , I would stick with the 18650's

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#6
They will stay where they are now, thanks for the clear answers.
I was in doubt to do it or to leave it.
I learnt one very important thing over here: first ask than buy....best advice!

with best regards
Still learning English. Learning Li ion and solar technology.

4200 cells in packs Exclamation above 2500mah and 90%soh.
1500 waiting for testing.

Saving for 3 times phoenix inverter 48/3000 230v to gain also 380v
3 chargers?

Time is our enemy, must work to, the sun is our friend, must relax to.
With best regards
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