I was referring to the portrait and landscape positioning (thanks JON) but the link was helpful (thanks JESUSANGEL)
I have the 14 panels in landscape and 3 for the pcm60x in portrait, I only ask as the landscape ones are angled at around 25 degrees (I know its not perfect) and even though the sun is up and hot, they only make 400-700w until just after dinner and they get up to 2kw (which is more than I need) so I think that GEEK has it spot on, even though there not in the shade they still suffer from some sort of shade,
I have to move them eventually, so I will rehouse them in portrait,
Thanks everyone.